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ФОРУМ : Разговоры о блюзе : про величие Led Zeppelin - Dmitri Kazantsev (Dr. Nick) (02.12.07 19:32) #

аж противно (хотя это - далеко не всё)

Итак, немного о "композиторском" таланте "наиболее талантливой и великой хард-роковой группы":

* "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" - A folk song by Anne Bredon, this was originally credited as "traditional, arranged by Jimmy Page," then "words and music by Jimmy Page," and then, following legal action, "Bredon/Page/Plant."

* "Black Mountain Side" - uncredited version of a traditional folk tune previously recorded by Bert Jansch.

* "Bring It On Home" - the first section is an uncredited cover of the Willie Dixon tune (as performed by the imposter Sonny Boy Williamson).

* "Communication Breakdown" - apparently derived from Eddie Cochran's "Nervous Breakdown."

* "Custard Pie" - uncredited cover of Bukka White's "Shake 'Em On Down," with lyrics from Sleepy John Estes's "Drop Down Daddy."

* "Dazed And Confused" - uncredited cover of the Jake Holmes song (see The Above Ground

Sound Of Jake Holmes).

* "Hats Off To (Roy) Harper" - uncredited version of Bukka White's "Shake 'Em On Down."

* "How Many More Times" - Part one is an uncredited cover of the Howlin' Wolf song (available on numerous compilations). Part two is an uncredited cover of Albert King's "The Hunter."

* "In My Time Of Dying" - uncredited cover of the traditional song (as heard on Bob Dylan's debut).

* "The Lemon Song" - uncredited cover of Howlin' Wolf's "Killing Floor" - Wolf's publisher sued Zeppelin in the early 70's and settled out of court.

* "Moby Dick" - written and first recorded by Sleepy John Estes under the title "The Girl I Love," and later covered by Bobby Parker.

* "Nobody's Fault But Mine" - uncredited cover of the Blind Willie Johnson blues.

* "Since I've Been Lovin' You" - lyrics are the same as Moby Grape's "Never," though the music isn't similar.

* "Stairway To Heaven" - the main guitar line is apparently from "Taurus" by Spirit.

* "White Summer" - uncredited cover of Davey Graham's "She Moved Through The Fair."

* "Whole Lotta Love" - lyrics are from the Willie Dixon blues "You Need Love.". I'm not listing covers that the band credited to the actual authors ("You Shook Me") or the less blatant ripoffs (the "Superstition" riff in "Trampled Underfoot").

* "Train Kept A Rollin'" -- Written by Tiny Bradshaw, L. Mann, and H. Kay, first recorded by Bradshaw's Big Band in 1951. Rewritten as a rockabilly tune in 1956 and recorded by theJohnny Burnette Trio (whose guitarist, Paul Burlison, was an influence on Jeff Beck and inspired him to cover the tune with the Yardbirds). The Yardbirds recorded both the "original" tune and a rewritten version called "Stroll On" (the lyrics were modified to avoid copyright hassles) in Michaelangelo Antonioni's film _Blow Up_, which features the Beck/Page-era Yardbirds imitating the Who. The original version was often played live by Zeppelin, and is often mistakenly attributed to the Yardbirds, which is why it is included here.

* "White Summer" -- Davey Graham's "She Moved Through The Fair."

* "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" -- Anne Bredon (a/k/a Annie Briggs) (the Joan Baez version was the one this was based on).

* "You Shook Me" -- Willie Dixon, first recorded by Muddy Waters.

* "I Can't Quit You Baby" -- Willie Dixon.

* "Communication Breakdown" -- Eddie Cochran's "Nervous Breakdown."

* "How Many More Times" -- Howlin Wolf's "How Many More Years," Albert King's "The Hunter," Zeppelin's version is lyrically related to a cover called "How Many More Times" by Gary Farr and the T-Bones (liner notes by Giorgio Gomelsky, one-time producer of The Yardbirds). Zeppelin's particular arrangement grew from the live jams on "Smokestack Lightning" that the Page-led Yardbirds used to do.

* "Dazed And Confused" -- Jake Holmes, written and recorded as "Dazed & Confused." The Yardbirds covered it under the title "I'm Confused," with different lyrics. Page again changed the lyrics (which were originally about an acid trip) for the Zeppelin version. The version on the _Session Man_ album (on Archive) credited to the New Yardbirds is actually the Holmes original. Page: "I don't know about all that. I'd rather not get into it because I don't know all the circumstances. What's he got, the riff or whatever? Because Robert wrote some of the lyrics on that album. But he was only listening to...we extended it from the one that we were playing with the Yardbirds. I haven't heard Jake Holmes so I don't know what it's all about anyway. Usually my riffs are pretty damn original [laughs]. What can I say?"

* "Black Mountain Side" -- traditional, Annie Briggs, Bert Jansch The main riff is almost identical to the riff Jansch uses in his song "BlackWater Side," though he cites Annie Briggs as an earlier source. Page: "I wasn't totally original on thTHat riff. It had been done in folk clubs a lot. Annie Briggs was the first one that I heard do that riff.

* "The Lemon Song" -- Chester Burnett (a/k/a Howlin Wolf) "Killing Floor," Robert Johnson ("squeeze my lemon" lyric). In some early concerts and on some pressings of _II_, the song was actually called "Killing Floor." ARC Music filed a suit against Zeppelin in the early 70's, which was settled out of court. Ironically, the "squeeze my lemon" lyric was lifted by Johnson as well--from Art McKay ("She Squeezed My Lemon"--1937).

* "Moby Dick" -- Bobby Parker (music), Ginger Baker's "Toad" (drum solo). The song was originally entitled "The Girl I Love," which was written in 1929 by Sleepy John Estes and called "The Girl I Love, She Got Long Curly Hair." There are also some drum lines lifted intact from George Suranovich's drum solo with Arthur Lee's Love's song "Doggone."

* "Whole Lotta Love" -- Willie Dixon's "You Need Love" (lyrics). Plant: "Page's riff was Page's riff. It was there before anything else. I just thought,

'well, what am I going to sing?' That was it, a nick. Now happily paid for. At the time, there was a lot of conversation about what to do. It was decided that it was so far away in time (it was in fact 7 years) and influence that...well, you only get caught when you're successful. That's the game." Willie Dixon sued Zeppelin (actually friends of his at the time) in 1985 when his daughter noticed the resemblance--though by this time, Zeppelin has sold the rights to their international catalog and knew _in advance_ of the suit, which was filed only _after_ the sale had been completed.

* "Thank You" -- There is a striking chordal similarity to Traffic's "Dear Mr. Fantasy." "Bring It On Home" -- Written by Willie Dixon, though the Sonny Boy Williamson II version is the one which this bears a similarity to. The "Lemon Song" lawsuit also included language about this song.

* "Traveling Riverside Blues" -- Johnny Winter's "Leavin' Blues" (music only), plus lyrical references to Robert Johnson, St. Louis Jimmy Oden, and Sleepy John Estes.

* "Since I've Been Loving You" -- brief lyrical nod to Moby Grape's "Never."

* "Bron-Y-Aur Stomp" -- intro lifted from "The Waggoner's Tale" by Bert Jansch.

* "Gallows Pole" -- traditional, associated with Leadbelly. Page says that his version

was based on a cover of the song by Fred Gerlach.

* "Hats Off To (Roy) Harper" -- traditional, Bukka White (song entitled "Shake 'Em On Down"), also covered by Joe Lee Williams and Blind Lemon Jefferson.

* "Black Dog" -- the vocal arrangement is very similar to Fleetwood Mac's "Oh Well."

* "Rock And Roll" -- drawn from Little Richard's "Good Golly Miss Molly/Keep A Knockin'" (mostly the drum line).

* "Stairway To Heaven" -- Possible (though unlikely) lift from "And She's Lonely" by The Chocolate Watch Band, which became the intro chords. There's really no way of knowing for sure. The solo chords are also similar to the chords of Dylan's (and Hendrix's) "All Along The Watchtower," though the chord progression is hardly uncommon and any direct influence is also unlikely. A more believable lift might be from Spirit's "Taurus," an instrumental from their _Time Circle_ album--the intro from "Stairway" is remarkably similar, and Page and Plant were certainly aware of the band.

* "When The Levee Breaks" -- Memphis Minnie and Kansas Joe McCoy.

* _Physical Graffiti_ -- The album cover is identical in concept and very similar in design to the cover of the Jose Feliciano album _Compartments_, including the pull-out card and the "hidden" photos.

* "Custard Pie" -- Sleepy John Estes did a song entitled "Drop Down Daddy" in 1935, which seems to be the earliest source for this material. Blind Boy Fuller recorded a song entitled "I Want Some Of Your Pie" in 1939. Sonny Terry covered it with the title "Custard Pie Blues." Big Joe Williams also covered it under the title "Drop Down Mama," and his lyrics are pretty much identical to Plant's. There is also some Bukka White material in the song.

* "In My Time Of Dying" - traditional

* "Boogie With Stu" -- Ritchie Valens.

* "Nobody's Fault But Mine" -- Blind Willie Johnson (lyrics).

* "We're Gonna Groove" -- Ben E. King, James Bethea.

Gallows Pole by Leadbelly - Эльдар (03.12.07 00:27)
у кого злобность опять? (-) - Dmitri Kazantsev (Dr. Nick) (03.12.07 11:09)
А кому противно? (-) - Старый Майор (03.12.07 14:30)
прости - Dmitri Kazantsev (Dr. Nick) (03.12.07 18:12)
LZ - Вова (03.12.07 11:31)
Ну, не сказал бы так... - Эльдар (03.12.07 14:38)
тема сообщения - Вова (03.12.07 15:20)
слово пиратское - свято? - Andrei V. Evdokimov (evdokimov) (03.12.07 17:46)
не передергивай - Andrei V. Evdokimov (evdokimov) (03.12.07 18:04)
именно так :( (-) - Dmitri Kazantsev (Dr. Nick) (03.12.07 18:14)
Ну возможно, возможно... - Старый Майор (03.12.07 18:23)
вот это - сложный вопрос. - Andrei V. Evdokimov (evdokimov) (03.12.07 19:18)
Ох, Андрей... - Старый Майор (03.12.07 19:34)
+ 100 - Andrei V. Evdokimov (evdokimov) (03.12.07 19:46)
Пошлого или прошлого? ))) - Старый Майор (03.12.07 20:11)
Ой- не криви душой Майор! :-))))) - Руслан Чифуров (04.12.07 00:20)
Ну, ну - Руслан Чифуров (04.12.07 02:28)
Слушай, отстань, да? - Старый Майор (04.12.07 02:38)
хех - Andrei V. Evdokimov (evdokimov) (04.12.07 03:11)
кстати - Andrei V. Evdokimov (evdokimov) (03.12.07 17:59)
валет - хорошее слово - Dmitri Kazantsev (Dr. Nick) (03.12.07 18:42)
Не в пику вышесказанному - Andy McLetsoff (McL) (04.12.07 12:54)
И это верно (-) - Руслан Чифуров (04.12.07 13:00)
Суперфорум-музыка и обыватель - Jumpin Jack Flash (04.12.07 17:11)
И очень показательно, что... - Руслан Чифуров (04.12.07 17:21)
Слушайте, а вторую долю кто первым у кого спер? (-) - Юрий Каверкин (Gekko) (04.12.07 17:37)
Это было так давно... - Руслан Чифуров (04.12.07 17:40)
Достояние-то всеобщее... - Старый Майор (04.12.07 18:00)
Воровство!!! - Kot Matraskin (KotMatraskin) (04.12.07 20:35)
Воровство!!! - Kot Matraskin (KotMatraskin) (04.12.07 20:36)
Well, we're not a blues band, strictly speaking - Олег Усманов/www.pijony.ru (11.12.07 00:51)
что Вам , Руслан, в имени моем? - Jumpin Jack Flash (04.12.07 18:05)
Не адвокатства ради... - Эльдар (04.12.07 22:29)
А я когда маленький был... - Старый Майор (05.12.07 03:34)
Про величие - Андрей (10.12.07 14:33)
Led Zeppelin, O2 Arena, London 10/12/2007. Прямo как 19 лет назад… - Эльдар (11.12.07 14:48) # [ ответить ]

Led Zeppelin return to the stage

10/12/2007

LZ have played their first concert in 19 years, before nearly 20,000 fans at O2 Arena, London

Led Zeppelin have played their first concert in 19 years, before nearly 20,000 fans at London's 02 arena.

Their set, lasting about two hours, opened with Good Times Bad Times, the first track of their debut album.

Original band members Jimmy Page, Robert Plant and John Paul Jones were joined on stage by Jason Bonham, the son of their late drummer John Bonham.

"We did it, Ahmet," he said after Stairway To Heaven - a reference to Ahmet Ertegun, the Atlantic Records founder who died last year and to whom the concert was dedicated.

THE SETLIST

Good Times Bad Times

Ramble On

Black Dog

In My Time Of Dying

For Your Life

Trampled Under Foot

Nobody's Fault But Mine

No Quarter

Since I've Been Loving You

Dazed and Confused

Stairway To Heaven

The Song Remains The Same

Misty Mountain Hop

Kashmir

Whole Lotta Love

Rock And Roll

Мумия возвращается... (-) - Старый Майор (11.12.07 20:16) # [ ответить ]
они не так уж и плохи - Dmitri Kazantsev (Dr. Nick) (12.12.07 12:14) # [ ответить ]

но ударник - совсем не Джон :(

ну то есть вообще

Сын гения - еще не есть гений по генам - Andy McLetsoff (McL) (13.12.07 12:12) # [ ответить ]

С моей точки зрения САМЫМ великим в группе был именно Бонзо.

Да, голос Планта, да, аранжировки Джона Пола, да, гитара Джимми. Но так, как стучало это божество...

А без него уже Зеппелин никогда не будет прежним.

Хотя безусловно, пол-души продал бы, чтобы увидеть этот концерт.

конечно Бонзо - Dmitri Kazantsev (Dr. Nick) (13.12.07 18:18) # [ ответить ]

это не только мы и они так считают


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