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ФОРУМ : Разговоры о блюзе : про величие Led Zeppelin - Dmitri Kazantsev (Dr. Nick) (02.12.07 19:32) #

аж противно (хотя это - далеко не всё)

Итак, немного о "композиторском" таланте "наиболее талантливой и великой хард-роковой группы":

* "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" - A folk song by Anne Bredon, this was originally credited as "traditional, arranged by Jimmy Page," then "words and music by Jimmy Page," and then, following legal action, "Bredon/Page/Plant."

* "Black Mountain Side" - uncredited version of a traditional folk tune previously recorded by Bert Jansch.

* "Bring It On Home" - the first section is an uncredited cover of the Willie Dixon tune (as performed by the imposter Sonny Boy Williamson).

* "Communication Breakdown" - apparently derived from Eddie Cochran's "Nervous Breakdown."

* "Custard Pie" - uncredited cover of Bukka White's "Shake 'Em On Down," with lyrics from Sleepy John Estes's "Drop Down Daddy."

* "Dazed And Confused" - uncredited cover of the Jake Holmes song (see The Above Ground

Sound Of Jake Holmes).

* "Hats Off To (Roy) Harper" - uncredited version of Bukka White's "Shake 'Em On Down."

* "How Many More Times" - Part one is an uncredited cover of the Howlin' Wolf song (available on numerous compilations). Part two is an uncredited cover of Albert King's "The Hunter."

* "In My Time Of Dying" - uncredited cover of the traditional song (as heard on Bob Dylan's debut).

* "The Lemon Song" - uncredited cover of Howlin' Wolf's "Killing Floor" - Wolf's publisher sued Zeppelin in the early 70's and settled out of court.

* "Moby Dick" - written and first recorded by Sleepy John Estes under the title "The Girl I Love," and later covered by Bobby Parker.

* "Nobody's Fault But Mine" - uncredited cover of the Blind Willie Johnson blues.

* "Since I've Been Lovin' You" - lyrics are the same as Moby Grape's "Never," though the music isn't similar.

* "Stairway To Heaven" - the main guitar line is apparently from "Taurus" by Spirit.

* "White Summer" - uncredited cover of Davey Graham's "She Moved Through The Fair."

* "Whole Lotta Love" - lyrics are from the Willie Dixon blues "You Need Love.". I'm not listing covers that the band credited to the actual authors ("You Shook Me") or the less blatant ripoffs (the "Superstition" riff in "Trampled Underfoot").

* "Train Kept A Rollin'" -- Written by Tiny Bradshaw, L. Mann, and H. Kay, first recorded by Bradshaw's Big Band in 1951. Rewritten as a rockabilly tune in 1956 and recorded by theJohnny Burnette Trio (whose guitarist, Paul Burlison, was an influence on Jeff Beck and inspired him to cover the tune with the Yardbirds). The Yardbirds recorded both the "original" tune and a rewritten version called "Stroll On" (the lyrics were modified to avoid copyright hassles) in Michaelangelo Antonioni's film _Blow Up_, which features the Beck/Page-era Yardbirds imitating the Who. The original version was often played live by Zeppelin, and is often mistakenly attributed to the Yardbirds, which is why it is included here.

* "White Summer" -- Davey Graham's "She Moved Through The Fair."

* "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" -- Anne Bredon (a/k/a Annie Briggs) (the Joan Baez version was the one this was based on).

* "You Shook Me" -- Willie Dixon, first recorded by Muddy Waters.

* "I Can't Quit You Baby" -- Willie Dixon.

* "Communication Breakdown" -- Eddie Cochran's "Nervous Breakdown."

* "How Many More Times" -- Howlin Wolf's "How Many More Years," Albert King's "The Hunter," Zeppelin's version is lyrically related to a cover called "How Many More Times" by Gary Farr and the T-Bones (liner notes by Giorgio Gomelsky, one-time producer of The Yardbirds). Zeppelin's particular arrangement grew from the live jams on "Smokestack Lightning" that the Page-led Yardbirds used to do.

* "Dazed And Confused" -- Jake Holmes, written and recorded as "Dazed & Confused." The Yardbirds covered it under the title "I'm Confused," with different lyrics. Page again changed the lyrics (which were originally about an acid trip) for the Zeppelin version. The version on the _Session Man_ album (on Archive) credited to the New Yardbirds is actually the Holmes original. Page: "I don't know about all that. I'd rather not get into it because I don't know all the circumstances. What's he got, the riff or whatever? Because Robert wrote some of the lyrics on that album. But he was only listening to...we extended it from the one that we were playing with the Yardbirds. I haven't heard Jake Holmes so I don't know what it's all about anyway. Usually my riffs are pretty damn original [laughs]. What can I say?"

* "Black Mountain Side" -- traditional, Annie Briggs, Bert Jansch The main riff is almost identical to the riff Jansch uses in his song "BlackWater Side," though he cites Annie Briggs as an earlier source. Page: "I wasn't totally original on thTHat riff. It had been done in folk clubs a lot. Annie Briggs was the first one that I heard do that riff.

* "The Lemon Song" -- Chester Burnett (a/k/a Howlin Wolf) "Killing Floor," Robert Johnson ("squeeze my lemon" lyric). In some early concerts and on some pressings of _II_, the song was actually called "Killing Floor." ARC Music filed a suit against Zeppelin in the early 70's, which was settled out of court. Ironically, the "squeeze my lemon" lyric was lifted by Johnson as well--from Art McKay ("She Squeezed My Lemon"--1937).

* "Moby Dick" -- Bobby Parker (music), Ginger Baker's "Toad" (drum solo). The song was originally entitled "The Girl I Love," which was written in 1929 by Sleepy John Estes and called "The Girl I Love, She Got Long Curly Hair." There are also some drum lines lifted intact from George Suranovich's drum solo with Arthur Lee's Love's song "Doggone."

* "Whole Lotta Love" -- Willie Dixon's "You Need Love" (lyrics). Plant: "Page's riff was Page's riff. It was there before anything else. I just thought,

'well, what am I going to sing?' That was it, a nick. Now happily paid for. At the time, there was a lot of conversation about what to do. It was decided that it was so far away in time (it was in fact 7 years) and influence that...well, you only get caught when you're successful. That's the game." Willie Dixon sued Zeppelin (actually friends of his at the time) in 1985 when his daughter noticed the resemblance--though by this time, Zeppelin has sold the rights to their international catalog and knew _in advance_ of the suit, which was filed only _after_ the sale had been completed.

* "Thank You" -- There is a striking chordal similarity to Traffic's "Dear Mr. Fantasy." "Bring It On Home" -- Written by Willie Dixon, though the Sonny Boy Williamson II version is the one which this bears a similarity to. The "Lemon Song" lawsuit also included language about this song.

* "Traveling Riverside Blues" -- Johnny Winter's "Leavin' Blues" (music only), plus lyrical references to Robert Johnson, St. Louis Jimmy Oden, and Sleepy John Estes.

* "Since I've Been Loving You" -- brief lyrical nod to Moby Grape's "Never."

* "Bron-Y-Aur Stomp" -- intro lifted from "The Waggoner's Tale" by Bert Jansch.

* "Gallows Pole" -- traditional, associated with Leadbelly. Page says that his version

was based on a cover of the song by Fred Gerlach.

* "Hats Off To (Roy) Harper" -- traditional, Bukka White (song entitled "Shake 'Em On Down"), also covered by Joe Lee Williams and Blind Lemon Jefferson.

* "Black Dog" -- the vocal arrangement is very similar to Fleetwood Mac's "Oh Well."

* "Rock And Roll" -- drawn from Little Richard's "Good Golly Miss Molly/Keep A Knockin'" (mostly the drum line).

* "Stairway To Heaven" -- Possible (though unlikely) lift from "And She's Lonely" by The Chocolate Watch Band, which became the intro chords. There's really no way of knowing for sure. The solo chords are also similar to the chords of Dylan's (and Hendrix's) "All Along The Watchtower," though the chord progression is hardly uncommon and any direct influence is also unlikely. A more believable lift might be from Spirit's "Taurus," an instrumental from their _Time Circle_ album--the intro from "Stairway" is remarkably similar, and Page and Plant were certainly aware of the band.

* "When The Levee Breaks" -- Memphis Minnie and Kansas Joe McCoy.

* _Physical Graffiti_ -- The album cover is identical in concept and very similar in design to the cover of the Jose Feliciano album _Compartments_, including the pull-out card and the "hidden" photos.

* "Custard Pie" -- Sleepy John Estes did a song entitled "Drop Down Daddy" in 1935, which seems to be the earliest source for this material. Blind Boy Fuller recorded a song entitled "I Want Some Of Your Pie" in 1939. Sonny Terry covered it with the title "Custard Pie Blues." Big Joe Williams also covered it under the title "Drop Down Mama," and his lyrics are pretty much identical to Plant's. There is also some Bukka White material in the song.

* "In My Time Of Dying" - traditional

* "Boogie With Stu" -- Ritchie Valens.

* "Nobody's Fault But Mine" -- Blind Willie Johnson (lyrics).

* "We're Gonna Groove" -- Ben E. King, James Bethea.

Gallows Pole by Leadbelly - Эльдар (03.12.07 00:27)
у кого злобность опять? (-) - Dmitri Kazantsev (Dr. Nick) (03.12.07 11:09)
А кому противно? (-) - Старый Майор (03.12.07 14:30)
прости - Dmitri Kazantsev (Dr. Nick) (03.12.07 18:12)
LZ - Вова (03.12.07 11:31) # [ ответить ]

в исполнении Led Zeppelin это услышали десятки и даже сотни миллионов

кто-то потом пришел к блюзу, начав с Led Zeppelin

Джимми Пейдж - величайший музыкант, лучший белый гитарист в истории, в говно-роке или говно-блюзе аля гэримур вроде бы не замечен

в чем суть претензий?!

а авторские права - это полное дерьмо, музыка превыше юриспруденции

Ну, не сказал бы так... - Эльдар (03.12.07 14:38)
тема сообщения - Вова (03.12.07 15:20)
это звучит как оскорбление для других гитаристов ) - Dmitri Kazantsev (Dr. Nick) (03.12.07 18:16) # [ ответить ]

"Джимми Пейдж - величайший музыкант, лучший белый гитарист в истории"

пеши ещщё!

Джимми Пейдж - не величайший белый гитарист в истории - Вова (04.12.07 07:04) # [ ответить ]

если Дм. Казанцев (которого я не слышал по вполне извинительным причинам) воспринял это на свой счет, то я готов признать, что Пейдж - второй величайший белый гитарист в истории, сразу после Дм. Казанцева ;-)))

п.с. у вас по ссылке файл с J.J. Cale - Rewind - 2007 (Time Life) уже удален

нельзя ли его восстановить?

Фор хум хау - Эльдар (04.12.07 11:10)
ИМХО добавлять глупо - Kot Matraskin (KotMatraskin) (04.12.07 20:19)
Много классных гитаристов - Руслан Чифуров (04.12.07 13:29) # [ ответить ]

Я тоже очень уважаю Джимми Пейджа (он мне в отличие от Старого Майора гораздо ближе, чем Би Би Кинг) и в спорах "Пейдж или Блэкмор"-явсегда на стороне Пейджа, поскольку Блэкмор мне совсем не близок, но ведь полно и других имён не менее талантливых и ярких гитаристов. А если покопаться поглубже, то и среди менее известных гитаристов найдётся очень много выдающихся музыкантов.

Не Пейджом и Блэкмором единым... - Эльдар (04.12.07 15:39) # [ ответить ]

Вопрос иль спор "Пейдж или Блэкмор" - это советский, не самый умный спор. Примерно из той же области тогда и вопрос кто лучше: ББКинг или Крэй, или Мейол, или Воэн. Они разные, для меня несравнимые меж собой. Все для меня лучшие, всех люблю.

> полно и других имён не менее талантливых и ярких гитаристов.

Совершенно верно, их не мало.

Я слышал, что... - Руслан Чифуров (04.12.07 16:24) # [ ответить ]

Я слышал, что споры про Пейджа и Блэкмора в СССр нередко заканчивались драками :-))))) Я вообще Блэкмора никогда не воспринимал- слышал записи ДП- думал "Ну играет и играет- не трогает как-то совсем". Какие-то по большому счёту у него "жалобные" и совершенно неэмоциональные интонации, а уж когда слайдом заиграет- так это вообще хоть вешайся от такой "жалостливости" :-))))) Флегматично это как-то- несмотря на весь его буйный нрав вплоть до выяснения отношений на сцене с другими музыкантами и елозения жопой по грифу и разлом гитар и комбегов- всё это создаёт впечатление абсолютного флегматика, пытающегося всем доказать совсем обратное. Это всё ИМХО конечно же

Я хотел озаглавить пост так: - Эльдар (04.12.07 21:29) # [ ответить ]

Я хотел озаглавить пост так:

Не Пейджом и Блэкмором единым едИна Россия

:-)

слово пиратское - свято? - Andrei V. Evdokimov (evdokimov) (03.12.07 17:46)
не передергивай - Andrei V. Evdokimov (evdokimov) (03.12.07 18:04)
именно так :( (-) - Dmitri Kazantsev (Dr. Nick) (03.12.07 18:14)
Ну возможно, возможно... - Старый Майор (03.12.07 18:23)
вот это - сложный вопрос. - Andrei V. Evdokimov (evdokimov) (03.12.07 19:18)
Ох, Андрей... - Старый Майор (03.12.07 19:34)
+ 100 - Andrei V. Evdokimov (evdokimov) (03.12.07 19:46)
Пошлого или прошлого? ))) - Старый Майор (03.12.07 20:11)
Ой- не криви душой Майор! :-))))) - Руслан Чифуров (04.12.07 00:20)
Ну, ну - Руслан Чифуров (04.12.07 02:28)
Слушай, отстань, да? - Старый Майор (04.12.07 02:38)
хех - Andrei V. Evdokimov (evdokimov) (04.12.07 03:11)
кстати - Andrei V. Evdokimov (evdokimov) (03.12.07 17:59)
валет - хорошее слово - Dmitri Kazantsev (Dr. Nick) (03.12.07 18:42)
Не в пику вышесказанному - Andy McLetsoff (McL) (04.12.07 12:54)
И это верно (-) - Руслан Чифуров (04.12.07 13:00)
Суперфорум-музыка и обыватель - Jumpin Jack Flash (04.12.07 17:11)
И очень показательно, что... - Руслан Чифуров (04.12.07 17:21)
Слушайте, а вторую долю кто первым у кого спер? (-) - Юрий Каверкин (Gekko) (04.12.07 17:37)
Это было так давно... - Руслан Чифуров (04.12.07 17:40)
Достояние-то всеобщее... - Старый Майор (04.12.07 18:00)
Воровство!!! - Kot Matraskin (KotMatraskin) (04.12.07 20:35)
Воровство!!! - Kot Matraskin (KotMatraskin) (04.12.07 20:36)
Well, we're not a blues band, strictly speaking - Олег Усманов/www.pijony.ru (11.12.07 00:51)
что Вам , Руслан, в имени моем? - Jumpin Jack Flash (04.12.07 18:05)
Не адвокатства ради... - Эльдар (04.12.07 22:29)
А я когда маленький был... - Старый Майор (05.12.07 03:34)
Про величие - Андрей (10.12.07 14:33)
Мумия возвращается... (-) - Старый Майор (11.12.07 20:16)
они не так уж и плохи - Dmitri Kazantsev (Dr. Nick) (12.12.07 12:14)
конечно Бонзо - Dmitri Kazantsev (Dr. Nick) (13.12.07 18:18)

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